That was really interesting to read, Arty! I completely agree, things seem to have shifted from a matter of politeness and courtesy to a matter of faith/ belief. I wonder if what you described was replicated in the gay and lesbian community in the UK and the rest of Europe and played out in the same way or if the latter part is purely an import of belief from the US? Like Evangelical Churches? LOL!
Don't forget that transGENDER pioneers like Virginia Prince were vehemently trying to distance themselves from any notion of their being homosexuals. Gay crossdressing was regarded as being part of male prostitution and, thus, toxic to the TG cause. In the U.K. the Beaumont Society had a very strict anti-gay policy. Prince even defined the term "transGENDER" as typically meaning a married heterosexual male who makes a social choice to adopt a feminine persona on a 24/7 basis. The early TG social support networks also took care to exclude trans-SEXUALS as well. They had made a BIOLOGICAL choice as opposed to a purely SOCIAL one.
I think it is this way of thinking that can be seen in today's version. The big difference being that Prince acknowledged that he was a male adopting a persona rather than being magicked into female , denied there could be any such thing as "gender conversion surgery" and held what could be called TERF views about fully equipped males being able to claim to be living fully as females.
Subscribed & wish you all the best. Being cancelled for believing in the truth is the pits. A few days ago I was heartbroken because my oldest friend (or so I thought) of 61 years, since we were 8, told me (via WhatsApp) she was saying goodbye because she couldn’t put up with my views anymore. This was triggered by her sending me a photoshopped image commenting on the recent high temperatures; showed the Statue of Liberty on the left captioned 30C and on the right an image showing the Statue of Liberty with the robes removed & dropped down on the pedestal, the muscular body clad in a bikini but clearly flat chested and, in typical AGP selfie mode - as in women’s toilets etc pose - holding its male appendage showing up above & out of the bikini bottoms and with a typically leery facial expression - captioned 40C. I said I was sorry but I didn’t find it funny because of everything that pose represents to me and apparently this was me ‘twisting’ something to be ‘offensive’. There is great progress against the cult but there has been so much capture. My gender critical friends and I take heart from last week’s win by Allison Bailey and the NHS decision to shut down the gender identity clinic at the Tavistock in London. Maya Forstater’s victory earlier this year was huge too. It means a lot to have allies like you and Graham Linehan. Thank you.
Nice work, Arty. The historical context is really valuable.
Great post, seems absolutely spot on.
I knew you had it in you!
Brilliant and covers new ground that's really old ground.
Well done
That was really interesting to read, Arty! I completely agree, things seem to have shifted from a matter of politeness and courtesy to a matter of faith/ belief. I wonder if what you described was replicated in the gay and lesbian community in the UK and the rest of Europe and played out in the same way or if the latter part is purely an import of belief from the US? Like Evangelical Churches? LOL!
Don't forget that transGENDER pioneers like Virginia Prince were vehemently trying to distance themselves from any notion of their being homosexuals. Gay crossdressing was regarded as being part of male prostitution and, thus, toxic to the TG cause. In the U.K. the Beaumont Society had a very strict anti-gay policy. Prince even defined the term "transGENDER" as typically meaning a married heterosexual male who makes a social choice to adopt a feminine persona on a 24/7 basis. The early TG social support networks also took care to exclude trans-SEXUALS as well. They had made a BIOLOGICAL choice as opposed to a purely SOCIAL one.
I think it is this way of thinking that can be seen in today's version. The big difference being that Prince acknowledged that he was a male adopting a persona rather than being magicked into female , denied there could be any such thing as "gender conversion surgery" and held what could be called TERF views about fully equipped males being able to claim to be living fully as females.
Subscribed & wish you all the best. Being cancelled for believing in the truth is the pits. A few days ago I was heartbroken because my oldest friend (or so I thought) of 61 years, since we were 8, told me (via WhatsApp) she was saying goodbye because she couldn’t put up with my views anymore. This was triggered by her sending me a photoshopped image commenting on the recent high temperatures; showed the Statue of Liberty on the left captioned 30C and on the right an image showing the Statue of Liberty with the robes removed & dropped down on the pedestal, the muscular body clad in a bikini but clearly flat chested and, in typical AGP selfie mode - as in women’s toilets etc pose - holding its male appendage showing up above & out of the bikini bottoms and with a typically leery facial expression - captioned 40C. I said I was sorry but I didn’t find it funny because of everything that pose represents to me and apparently this was me ‘twisting’ something to be ‘offensive’. There is great progress against the cult but there has been so much capture. My gender critical friends and I take heart from last week’s win by Allison Bailey and the NHS decision to shut down the gender identity clinic at the Tavistock in London. Maya Forstater’s victory earlier this year was huge too. It means a lot to have allies like you and Graham Linehan. Thank you.